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these are you and they in your chips

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America is asking you to call dr you who

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the USA America's the greatest land of

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all on a highway or a rolled along a

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levy performances leader nothing

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consider life is completed or in go make

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alright listen up people 80 years ago

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deep in a mine in Copper Canyon Mexico a

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900 year old human-like skull was found

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now known as the Starchild skull what's

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interesting about this skull is the

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numerous differences between it and a

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typical human skull some consider the

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skull to be the smoking gun evidence

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that we've been visited by

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extraterrestrials and today I'm excited

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to have a chat with the chief operating

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officer of the Starchild project Amy

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Vickers here to talk about what the hell

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this thing is Amy how are you doing I'm

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doing great thanks so much for having me

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on my pleasure i'm glad that you are

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willing to do this I've been fascinated

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with the mystery surrounding the skull

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since I first seen it pop up on I think

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it was UFO hunters I've also seen it on

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coast to coast am and I'm I'm psyched to

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hear the latest from the Starchild

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project but first can you paint a

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picture for us of the details under

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which the Starchild skull was discovered

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sure thing it was actually found by an

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American tourist in Mexico as you said

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in the 1930s she basically found it in a

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mine tunnel it's a little macaw but she

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just found it along with another full

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skeleton she was only able to recover

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the two skulls one of them is the

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Starchild one of them's a normal skull

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oh she brought them back with her to the

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states and basically kept them as a

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souvenir her entire life just thinking

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well this is a really unusual skull and

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this is a normal skull and this is from

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my holiday in Mexico and when she was

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getting on in life and

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knew that she would be dying soon she

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passed them on to friends to pass them

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on to friends and then they pass them on

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to Ray and Melanie young the current

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owners of the skull melanie was a

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neonatal nurse so she took an immediate

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interest wanting to know what kind of

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deformity it was if it even was a

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deformity because she'd never seen

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anything nearly as unusual as this skull

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and so Melanie and her husband Ray

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started asking around trying to find

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someone that would take a serious look

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at it and they ended up settling on

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lloyd pye and together they founded the

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Starchild project in early nineteen

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ninety nine and the Starchild project is

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just an informal organization of people

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who arranged to have the skull tested by

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different independent facilities and

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that's what's been going on with it for

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about 12 years now since 99 just test

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after test to test every time that

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funding permits and every time it makes

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sense we've just throw in the kitchen

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sink at it yeah I've actually heard that

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through the various interviews that

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you've done in Lloyds done that there's

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I hear different numbers between ten and

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twenty five major differences between

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the Starchild and a human skull there's

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absolutely 25 major differences

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everything from the bone being at least

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as half as thick and at least twice as

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durable as normal human bone to the

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shape of the skull being radically

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different the position of the neck on

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the sky I'll being basically impossible

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for you or me or any other normal kind

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of human two things that we found inside

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the bone of the skull microscopic fibers

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woven through the matrix of the bone of

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the skull like steel bar rebar

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reinforcing concrete and also not not

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necessarily microscopic but very very

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hard to see with the naked eye we found

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a reddish residue inside the cancellous

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holes of the skull now the cancellous

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holes is where your bone marrow usually

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is so you would think well it's red

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residue it must just be desiccated bone

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marrow well after nine hundred years

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there should be nothing left in those

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cancellous holes and even if it was

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blood or bone marrow there's no way it

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would still be read it would be black so

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we've had different mycologists and

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other experts look at it to try and

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figure out whether it's some kind of fun

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or mold or or what it could be and

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they're all absolutely baffled by it

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there there should be nothing left

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inside the bone after nine hundred years

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the natural bacteria should have eaten

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all of it so we have something here that

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seems to be immune to natural biological

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decomposition on this planet so I mean

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that that just on its own is enormous

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but then when you combine it with the

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fibers that no one has ever seen in any

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bone anywhere before you combine that

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with the unusual shape of the skull that

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the qualities of the strength and

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thinness and lightness of the bone it's

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just off the charts there is no

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combination of deformities that you can

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come up with that would make a human be

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born with a skull like this and somehow

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survive not just long enough to grow

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teeth but long enough to grind its teeth

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down with use which is the case with the

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Starchild skull now a lot of the

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interviews I see about the Starchild

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skull they waste a lot of time trying to

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explain it away with various human

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conditions whether it be cradle boarding

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or water on the brain or something other

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kind of deformity but these fibers and

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the thickness of the skull alone not to

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mention that that thing looks like a

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goddamn alien these things are are to me

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pretty impressive facts that go well

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beyond just the general shape of the

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skull which is weird looking enough but

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I've heard some kind of weird things

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happen when the skull was tested for

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durability and cut for samples for

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testing can you tell us what those

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things might have been absolutely now

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you mentioned seeing UFO hunters there's

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actually been a number of documentaries

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that the skull has been on and recently

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they tried to actually do a hardness

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test on television they got a hardness

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meter which is basically a device where

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you punch a hole through something and

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it tells you how much force was required

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to punch a hole through it well that

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that's testing compression strength the

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strength of the Starchild skull while it

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did measure higher than normal bone on

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that compression test the strength that

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we have is not so much just strength how

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much it takes to crush it it's

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durability I mean your bones aren't

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there to stop you from being

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they're there to not break under tensile

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pressure when they get bent the

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Starchild skull bone has those fibers

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going through it that give it or we

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theorize that they give it strength and

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flexibility as well so even though that

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puncture test that they tried to do only

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registered at being somewhat higher than

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normal human bone when they went to cut

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the bone samples out of the skull for

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the first time they use a small rotary

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cutting sorts a little electric saw with

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a circular blade that's made of tungsten

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carbide which is the same kind of metal

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that your dentist's drill bits are made

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out of so they cut that again we have

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two skulls found in the same mine tunnel

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they're the same age nine hundred years

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old so we usually use that normal skull

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as a control against the Starchild skull

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just in case there's any kind of

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degradation they use that blood aid to

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cut through the normal skull and it just

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cut it like butter that's what it's

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there for it just cut right through it

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like it was nothing they got a clean

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blade of the same kind and went to cut

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the Starchild skull it literally bounced

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off the bone they could not get it to

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cut with any degree of ease in in the

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end they did manage to get it to Cardin

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we ended up switching to a diamond

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coated blade but it this isn't normal

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kind of strength this is something

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unbelievable in this bone that's giving

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it properties that are very hard to

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explain that's that's to me one of the

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most interesting things as far as the

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fibers are concerned do we know what the

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fibers are made of like I mean they're

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apparently there are anomalous to this

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this planet like no one there's no

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fibers than any other bone as far as

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I've heard from other various interviews

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correct you're absolutely correct there

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is a condition called Morgellons that is

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it's medically unclassified the Medical

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Association's haven't said it's an

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official disease yet it does cause

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fibers in the skin and they're about 10

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times larger than the fibers of it found

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inside the Starchild skull bone but

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nothing in the actual bone Morgellons

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doesn't give you fibers inside the bone

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no condition gives you fibers inside the

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bone like we have in the case of the

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Starchild's

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this is so far out there this is so

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dissimilar from anything that's ever

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been seen before we can't tell you what

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those fibers are we have to invent a

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protocol to be able to pull those fibers

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out of the bone and then we can test

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them and find out what they are but

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there isn't even a test invented yet

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there isn't some method some system to

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get those fibers out of the bone because

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nothing like this has ever been seen

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before there's never been a call for it

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so we really have something that's not

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just really interesting it's really

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unique right and and this you said

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before the skull was found with another

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skeleton of a woman I've heard at least

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two related or do we have any idea like

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the why they were you know found

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together why they were together was is

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the Starchild skull a child we aren't

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sure if it's a child we have conflicting

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evidence on that at some aspects of the

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skull point to a child of five or six

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other aspects point to someone that's

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older you know somewhere around the age

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of 21 to 25 other aspects point to

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someone much older so we're really at

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kind of an impasse a number of our

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experts are just sure it's a child and

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then we have others that are positive

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it's an adult so that's up in the air

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but it was named the Starchild when the

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only test that had been done on it where

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x rays and they showed that it had

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somewhat childlike teeth and so that's

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what we based it off of so it may have

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been a child the woman you're absolutely

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correct she was a woman found with the

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skull is not genetically related to it

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at all it's not to say she couldn't be

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an adoptive mother but they aren't

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genetically related in any way and the

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fact that they were found together does

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make us think that there is some kind of

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emotional connection between the two but

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we we just don't know what that is at

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this point but we are so happy to have a

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control skull because early on in the

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process I mentioned the bone is

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literally half as thick and weighs half

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as much as normal human bone well as

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bone ages over hundreds of years it does

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get a tiny little bit thicker ice are a

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tiny little bit thinner I looked at the

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target

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little thinner over time so one of the

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early excuses that people throw up is to

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say well that's just post-mortem

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contraction of the bone that's just

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gotten thinner because it's it's older

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we had this other skull that's been in

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the exact same conditions that we could

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pull out and say no this is what

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posthumous bone contraction looks like

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and so it's been a wonderful comparison

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for us at every step of the way and are

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there any clues to their relationship

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based on how they were found or anything

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like that without actually found in a

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very unusual situation the entire

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skeleton of the Starchild skull was

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buried in a shallow grave the entire

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skeleton of the human female skull was

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found above the ground next to it and

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sticking up out of that shallow grave

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was the hand and forearm of the

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starchild skull wrapped around her upper

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arm bone so the only conclusion that we

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were able to draw from that is that she

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must have brought the Starchild being

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there buried it laid down next to it

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wrapped the hand around her arm and died

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herself because if someone had brought

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them there and buried them then she

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would have been buried as well if they

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had both crawled up there and died

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together then she wouldn't have been

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able to bury it the only story that fits

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the fact is that if she buried the

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Starchild being and then somehow died

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herself next to it but felt such a

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strong attachment that she wanted to

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hold its hand or have it holding her arm

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for all eternity are there any clues to

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how she died we don't know unfortunately

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with with only having the skulls we

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don't have any obvious head injuries

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there is a healed concussion a healed

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fracture on the skull of the human

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female so she could have been just stark

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raving mad we have no way of knowing

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this but it was healed she did not die

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from that injury they died from

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something else we just don't know what

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and that is just so crazy um

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I've heard from numerous interviews the

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skull has been DNA tested which seems to

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be obviously the most reliable way to

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figure out what is going on here and

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I've but I've heard that the mother was

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human and then the father was a mystery

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and now I've heard from a more recent

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interview on coast-to-coast that I

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understand that both parents are in

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question what's the deal there well we

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have a policy at the Starchild project

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of putting out information as soon as we

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have it and so sometimes the result of

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that is we put things out before we have

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all of the facts and we have to

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backtrack a little bit when we did the

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first round of DNA testing was all the

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way back in nineteen ninety nine that

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test was just a disaster it was a

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complete contamination the result that

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they got was that it was a one hundred

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percent human male and we we released

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that information and then in 2003 we

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found out that that test was was

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contaminated it was just wrong because

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we did another test at a much more

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sophisticated lab that was designed for

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testing ancient DNA and that test was

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able to recover maternal DNA DNA from

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its mother but no DNA from the father we

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knew there was DNA there it's just

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looking for human DNA from the father we

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weren't able to find any and so the

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theory then became well it must have a

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human mother since we found a small

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amount of human maternal DNA and maybe

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it has an alien father because we cannot

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find any paternal human DNA and that's

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been our story since since then that's

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what the evidence that we had up until

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very recently told us this latest round

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of DNA testing that we've done is even

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more sophisticated it's I mean DNA

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testing has just gone by leaps and

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bounds in the in the last few years

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we've gone from the stone ages right up

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to the latest cutting-edge technology

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and what we're doing now and these

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latest DNA tests recovered more of the

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maternal DNA and that maternal DNA that

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was found in 2003 was indeed human or or

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at least close enough to human that we

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could identify it as being

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human but now that we know that we have

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much more of the mother's DNA we can see

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that parts of it are indeed human or

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very human-like but much bigger parts

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are not much bigger parts are very very

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very unusual there are two kinds of DNA

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in all of us we've got mitochondrial DNA

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that's only for my mother and nuclear

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DNA that's from both parents the nuclear

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DNA is what they talk about when they

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talk about the human genome it's the

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thing that that basically makes us

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individuals as we are the mitochondrial

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DNA is all about energy mitochondria at

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the powerhouse of ourselves you can't

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survive without them they have a very

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specialized task and they need much much

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much less DNA to do that task so we're

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just going to focus in on that

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mitochondrial DNA all of us all humans

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every race every person on the planet

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has within a hundred and twenty

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differences in that DNA of each other

402
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there are only a hundred and twenty

403
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collective differences amongst all

404
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humans from what we've recovered from

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the Starchild it's going to end up

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having between eight hundred and a

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thousand differences so 120 amongst all

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humans and eight hundred to a thousand

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differences in the Starchild it's just

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off the charts difference so even though

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there are elements of it that are human

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or human enough to be recognized there

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there's no way to say that it had a

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human mother so yes you're right both

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parents are definitely on the table now

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so I'm obviously not an expert in DNA

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testing but um it I how is it possible

418
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that there could be elements of human

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mitochondrial DNA which would give

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evidence to suggest the mother was human

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if it is you know the alternative which

422
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is completely foreign to this planet

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well think about it we humans shed

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genetic material with just about

425
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everything on this planet we're whatever

426
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it is ninety-five percent the same as a

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gorilla sixty percent the same as a rat

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to be alive on this planet requires your

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body to be able to synthesize a certain

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protein

431
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means to do certain things to deal with

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certain elements and minerals that exist

433
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on this planet it makes sense that if

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you have something that's going to be

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able to survive on this planet it's

436
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going to have some of those same

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characteristics now when when we're

438
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talking about this mitochondrial DNA

439
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your entire genome everything that makes

440
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you you is about three billion base

441
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pairs a base pair is every step in the

442
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ladder of DNA so if you picture that the

443
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double helix letter each step is a base

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pair just the mitochondrial DNA is

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sixteen thousand five hundred and sixty

446
00:19:13,090 --> 00:19:10,700
nine of those base pairs so basically

447
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sixteen and a half thousand verses three

448
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:15,980
billion so it's a much smaller much more

449
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concentrated part of your DNA so if you

450
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that that's not to say that there

451
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couldn't be an alien species out there

452
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that is radically different from us not

453
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a single skerrick of their DNA anything

454
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like ours but the odds are it probably

455
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wouldn't be able to survive or do well

456
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on this planet at all it wouldn't have

457
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what it needs to be able to cope here so

458
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if you have an alien being living here

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that's managing that surviving that's

460
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eating that's going on then it's it

461
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seems pretty reasonable to us that it

462
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would have some elements of its DNA that

463
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are the same and when we're talking

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about some elements we're only talking

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about 30 to 50 of those base pairs of

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those steps in the ladder out of 16 and

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a half thousand that were recovered in

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2003 just small little segments of it

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that are very human or human-like and in

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between those segments that are human or

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human-like we have radical differences

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things that no human could survive if my

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DNA was like that I would be dead so

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fast we just cannot function cannot

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survive if our DNA was as different as

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the Starchild's DNA is already turning

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out to be we've only got about ten

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percent of that 16 and a half thousand

479
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but nonetheless it's it's enough that we

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can see already you me any normal human

481
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could not survive if it had the

482
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differences we've already found in the

483
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Starchild skulls DNA fair do you think

484
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there's a way

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2 plus assume the Starchild skull is as

486
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alien is there a way to map a new

487
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species genome from the Starchild oh

488
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absolutely that's actually our our goal

489
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the testing that we've done so far is

490
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very preliminary what we want to do is

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recover the entire genome which your

492
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call took years when they were doing it

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for humans but now that they've kind of

494
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worked the kinks out of that system it's

495
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really only a one to two-year process so

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that the next thing for us is to get the

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funding that we need to complete the

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entire genome recovery and see exactly

499
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how similar and how different it is from

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human it's already well off the charts

501
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it's already different enough that I

502
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think anyone would be confident calling

503
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it a different species remember every

504
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human has only a hundred and twenty

505
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differences we've only got ten percent

506
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of the Starchild's genome online and a

507
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half percent we've already found 93

508
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differences in there so if we don't find

509
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a single other difference I mean I we're

510
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already well past the point of calling

511
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it a new species Neanderthals which are

512
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very clearly a different species they

513
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only have 200 differences from the

514
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baseline from which humans have a

515
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hundred and twenty differences so that

516
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80 is enough to core Neanderthals and

517
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new species we've got 93 already in the

518
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Starchild so if Neanderthals are

519
00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:16,460
different species the Starchild skulls

520
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are different species at the very least

521
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and we think much more likely a

522
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completely alien life-form well is there

523
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is the the chemistry that makes up the

524
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bone are there any differences between

525
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that and normal bone that we know of

526
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between you know humans or animal it's

527
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made of the same general stuff as human

528
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bones are made out of the the balance of

529
00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:46,790
the different minerals within the bone

530
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is is a little different it seems to

531
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have much more collagen just gram for

532
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gram than human bone would have in the

533
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order of two to three times as much now

534
00:23:00,669 --> 00:22:59,810
that's very interesting I don't know if

535
00:23:03,159 --> 00:23:00,679
you're aware of this but

536
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collagen is absolutely essential to the

537
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:05,149
healing process so the fact that it has

538
00:23:10,210 --> 00:23:07,610
so much more collagen makes us one that

539
00:23:13,629 --> 00:23:10,220
maybe it had some extra kind of healing

540
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:13,639
ability that perhaps we don't have in in

541
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terms of the biochemistry of the bone

542
00:23:21,070 --> 00:23:17,990
it's actually pretty similar to tooth

543
00:23:23,289 --> 00:23:21,080
enamel but somehow manages to be more

544
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:23,299
flexible than tooth enamel so that's

545
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:25,970
what makes us so very very interested in

546
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:28,809
these fibers we're extremely excited

547
00:23:33,369 --> 00:23:31,610
about what we can do in the future

548
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:33,379
medically with the information that

549
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:35,450
we're going to get out of the Starchild

550
00:23:40,029 --> 00:23:37,850
skulls bone we like to think that one

551
00:23:42,970 --> 00:23:40,039
day we'll be able to really benefit

552
00:23:45,999 --> 00:23:42,980
humanity from what comes out of this

553
00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:46,009
skull that at this stage it's hard to

554
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:47,809
know absolutely nothing could end up

555
00:23:52,499 --> 00:23:50,090
coming out of it but the the fact that

556
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:52,509
this being was able to live and survive

557
00:23:58,389 --> 00:23:56,090
with such incredible differences really

558
00:24:00,340 --> 00:23:58,399
opens up the playing field for what can

559
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,350
be done what can be accomplished and

560
00:24:05,379 --> 00:24:03,440
that we're very interested to see how

561
00:24:09,249 --> 00:24:05,389
that pans out out once we're able to get

562
00:24:11,259 --> 00:24:09,259
the genome recovered yeah now the mine

563
00:24:14,139 --> 00:24:11,269
that it was found in has it been

564
00:24:15,999 --> 00:24:14,149
completely explored for any type of

565
00:24:19,109 --> 00:24:16,009
other artifact or any type of other

566
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,119
weird anomalous stuff down there

567
00:24:24,009 --> 00:24:21,919
actually no we have never mounted an

568
00:24:26,019 --> 00:24:24,019
expedition down there to try and find

569
00:24:28,659 --> 00:24:26,029
the mineshaft that the girl recovered

570
00:24:31,659 --> 00:24:28,669
the skulls from she claims that she took

571
00:24:33,999 --> 00:24:31,669
both full skeletons with her and lost

572
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,009
the skeletons she was only able to hold

573
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:36,080
on to the skulls there was a flood and

574
00:24:40,389 --> 00:24:38,330
she lost the other bones but she does

575
00:24:42,999 --> 00:24:40,399
she was able to recover the skull so

576
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:43,009
there could be a ravine in Mexico

577
00:24:47,739 --> 00:24:44,840
somewhere with the entire rest of these

578
00:24:50,049 --> 00:24:47,749
skeletons in there or there could be

579
00:24:51,609 --> 00:24:50,059
dozens of others in that same mine

580
00:24:52,989 --> 00:24:51,619
tunnel we just don't know and

581
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:52,999
unfortunately with the current

582
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:55,970
instability in that area we're not

583
00:25:01,389 --> 00:24:59,840
really eager to go down there and it

584
00:25:02,769 --> 00:25:01,399
just seems a little dangerous for us at

585
00:25:05,139 --> 00:25:02,779
the moment but that's definitely

586
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:05,149
something that we're very interested in

587
00:25:09,369 --> 00:25:07,610
doing in the future yeah I mean that's

588
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:09,379
that's to me was one of the things I've

589
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,970
never heard asked and I always wondered

590
00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:12,559
because it seems like you know here's

591
00:25:16,170 --> 00:25:13,870
here's a pinpoint

592
00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:16,180
wear something this crazy has been found

593
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:19,420
and now that seems like the place to

594
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:22,570
explore well it's a very large pinpoint

595
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:25,690
we have a general area southwest of

596
00:25:29,460 --> 00:25:27,730
Chihuahua in the Copper Canyon region we

597
00:25:31,860 --> 00:25:29,470
don't know exactly what mine tunnel and

598
00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:31,870
there are thousands of them in that area

599
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:35,590
so it would be a very arduous expedition

600
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:38,050
to go and to find and explore each of

601
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:39,450
these mine tunnels so it's a very

602
00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:42,370
substantial time commitment and

603
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:44,260
financial commitment to be able to go

604
00:25:48,299 --> 00:25:46,210
and do it so right now we're just

605
00:25:50,010 --> 00:25:48,309
focusing on the one that we have in hand

606
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:50,020
and we'll worry about trying to find the

607
00:25:54,980 --> 00:25:52,510
two in the bush down the road what are

608
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:54,990
the other goals of the Starchild project

609
00:26:02,090 --> 00:25:58,330
besides obviously trying to map some

610
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:02,100
type of Jeanette genome from this skull

611
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,210
without that really is the

612
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:06,640
all-encompassing goal right now we want

613
00:26:12,419 --> 00:26:08,650
to get the entire genome from the skull

614
00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:12,429
and tell everyone what we have we intend

615
00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:14,950
to actually make documentary films about

616
00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:17,590
the testing process about everything

617
00:26:22,020 --> 00:26:19,630
that's come out of the skull we really

618
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:22,030
believe that this could be the first

619
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:25,929
absolute undisputable solid tangible

620
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:28,690
evidence of aliens visiting planet Earth

621
00:26:33,780 --> 00:26:31,840
now that's not to say that we operate at

622
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:33,790
the exclusion of every other possibility

623
00:26:39,270 --> 00:26:37,809
but we as far as we can tell that is the

624
00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:39,280
direction that all of the facts are

625
00:26:43,650 --> 00:26:41,470
pointing and instead of ruling it out of

626
00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:43,660
hand because you do that's what crazy

627
00:26:48,299 --> 00:26:46,270
people wearing tinfoil hats think we're

628
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:48,309
prepared to explore that possibility and

629
00:26:53,370 --> 00:26:51,010
if that's what it is everyone needs to

630
00:26:57,390 --> 00:26:53,380
know about this this is going to be so

631
00:27:00,510 --> 00:26:57,400
significant to everything to everyone on

632
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:00,520
this planet that we want to give as many

633
00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:02,650
people as possible an opportunity to

634
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:05,470
inform themselves to be aware of it to

635
00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:08,170
have happened whatever good can come out

636
00:27:13,230 --> 00:27:10,870
of this I mean there's obviously tons of

637
00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:13,240
stories of visitation a lot of people

638
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:16,200
suggest that all religions were based on

639
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:21,130
visitation beans coming from the sky but

640
00:27:26,610 --> 00:27:23,530
outside of the Starchild skull have you

641
00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:26,620
seen any other like what's the next most

642
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:27,320
compelling

643
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:28,730
evidence you've heard of a Valan

644
00:27:33,610 --> 00:27:30,650
visitation or obscene or is there any is

645
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:33,620
there any other skull or our bones found

646
00:27:40,390 --> 00:27:37,610
anywhere well there is a lot of

647
00:27:43,390 --> 00:27:40,400
compelling anecdotal and film evidence

648
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:43,400
but as far as bones go I would say the

649
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:45,890
next likely candidate is the conehead

650
00:27:50,410 --> 00:27:48,410
skulls in Peru there are a number of

651
00:27:52,390 --> 00:27:50,420
schools that are clearly human that have

652
00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:52,400
just been artificially deformed they

653
00:27:56,980 --> 00:27:54,440
they wrap cloths around the skull and

654
00:27:59,980 --> 00:27:56,990
force them into kind of a conehead shape

655
00:28:03,160 --> 00:27:59,990
but then there are hundreds literally

656
00:28:05,620 --> 00:28:03,170
hundreds of other skulls where the bone

657
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:05,630
is twice as thick as normal human bone

658
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:07,490
the eye sockets are a little different

659
00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:10,010
the jaws are different and most

660
00:28:14,980 --> 00:28:12,260
significantly there is twice as much

661
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:14,990
brain inside that skull and there are

662
00:28:19,390 --> 00:28:17,810
hundreds of these these are clearly not

663
00:28:21,550 --> 00:28:19,400
any kind of human as we currently

664
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:21,560
understand that there's no evidence of

665
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:23,690
artificial head binding on any of them

666
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:26,930
they are just absolutely off the charts

667
00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:28,370
different so that would be the next

668
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:31,400
thing that we would like to investigate

669
00:28:37,660 --> 00:28:34,310
and in fact my associate lloyd pye has

670
00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:37,670
already taken the steps of working with

671
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:40,460
people inside peru with the scientific

672
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:43,520
community there on moving forward with

673
00:28:49,950 --> 00:28:47,810
that testing process I mean I did the

674
00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:49,960
skull to me it does look like a typical

675
00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:54,350
like gray alien from you know what the

676
00:28:58,420 --> 00:28:55,880
composite that most people have put

677
00:29:01,210 --> 00:28:58,430
together you know through Hollywood and

678
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,220
stuff and it really is fascinating i

679
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:03,200
just i think the skull is so crazy and

680
00:29:06,460 --> 00:29:04,730
the fact that people try to dismiss it

681
00:29:08,650 --> 00:29:06,470
as you know this conditioner of that

682
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:08,660
condition it's all kind of null and void

683
00:29:13,810 --> 00:29:11,510
when you look at the fibers apparently

684
00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:13,820
the brain capacity is larger the

685
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:16,460
thickness of the skull those are all

686
00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:18,170
ways that those aren't related going to

687
00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:22,460
be related to any disease well there was

688
00:29:26,530 --> 00:29:24,470
actually a girl that we worked with the

689
00:29:28,660 --> 00:29:26,540
number of years ago who wanted to do her

690
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:28,670
university thesis on the Starchild skull

691
00:29:34,210 --> 00:29:31,910
and she started out doing a very serious

692
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:34,220
analysis of it and then she got the word

693
00:29:38,650 --> 00:29:36,010
from her professors that if you don't

694
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,660
start discrediting this thing pretty

695
00:29:43,690 --> 00:29:40,640
quick we're going to fail you and

696
00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:43,700
so she from that it went and found I

697
00:29:48,190 --> 00:29:45,500
think she ended up with about two dozen

698
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,200
different conditions that if somehow a

699
00:29:52,810 --> 00:29:50,240
person had all two dozen of these

700
00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:52,820
conditions they would be kind of like

701
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:55,880
the Starchild skull unfortunately those

702
00:30:00,130 --> 00:29:58,250
conditions contraindicated each other so

703
00:30:02,530 --> 00:30:00,140
it would have been absolutely impossible

704
00:30:05,140 --> 00:30:02,540
but nonetheless that was the closest

705
00:30:07,930 --> 00:30:05,150
anyone's ever come to being able to

706
00:30:09,970 --> 00:30:07,940
explain it I guarantee you and your

707
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:09,980
listeners that if this had an easy

708
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:12,890
answer we would love to find it we have

709
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:15,050
been looking for that for years but

710
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:16,640
there just isn't anything out there that

711
00:30:21,490 --> 00:30:18,890
explains it if you say okay the skull is

712
00:30:23,260 --> 00:30:21,500
this shape and the the eye sockets are

713
00:30:26,050 --> 00:30:23,270
so shallow because it had pressure

714
00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:26,060
inside the skull well that would be

715
00:30:30,970 --> 00:30:28,430
great if there was any evidence of that

716
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,980
whatsoever in fact we have evidence from

717
00:30:36,010 --> 00:30:33,200
cat-scans that there was no unusual

718
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:36,020
pressure inside the skull anything that

719
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:38,690
you can name there is a reason why it's

720
00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:42,110
absolutely impossible and they're still

721
00:30:45,970 --> 00:30:43,880
in a sales out there and that's fine

722
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:45,980
they're they're welcome to keep

723
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:47,570
believing that but people who really

724
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:49,130
take the time to look at the evidence

725
00:30:53,620 --> 00:30:51,710
are always just amazed that's how we've

726
00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:53,630
managed to get such an incredibly

727
00:30:59,140 --> 00:30:56,600
reputable team on our side working on

728
00:31:01,560 --> 00:30:59,150
this even often to the mockery of their

729
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:01,570
colleagues just because they can see how

730
00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:05,090
incredibly different how very important

731
00:31:10,450 --> 00:31:07,070
this skull is to the world of science

732
00:31:12,340 --> 00:31:10,460
and to the future of the human race well

733
00:31:14,530 --> 00:31:12,350
elaborate on that are you facing our

734
00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:14,540
resistance from the academic and

735
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:16,550
scientific communities are there 0

736
00:31:21,910 --> 00:31:18,110
reluctance to look at this thing

737
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,920
seriously Oh always it's it's been an

738
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:24,320
enormous hurdle for us for every one

739
00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:27,050
person that really paid attention and

740
00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:29,630
looks at the evidence and says okay

741
00:31:33,310 --> 00:31:31,550
let's let's get some more information

742
00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:33,320
before I make a decision there are a

743
00:31:38,260 --> 00:31:35,230
hundred people who make a snap decision

744
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,270
without even looking at it in many cases

745
00:31:42,460 --> 00:31:40,640
without doing any research without

746
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:42,470
looking at any of the research that

747
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:44,210
we've done and they'll just say

748
00:31:48,490 --> 00:31:46,370
offhandedly it's a deformity or it's

749
00:31:50,650 --> 00:31:48,500
this or it's that or nature can do

750
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:50,660
anything and you're just backing up the

751
00:31:54,610 --> 00:31:52,970
wrong tree and that's what is so

752
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,620
exciting to us about the day

753
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,200
and a because you can't argue with DNA

754
00:32:01,920 --> 00:31:59,600
there is a lot we don't understand about

755
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:01,930
nuclear DNA the 3 billion base pairs

756
00:32:07,060 --> 00:32:05,120
there is about ninety-five percent of

757
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:07,070
that that we really don't know exactly

758
00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:09,770
what it does but the mitochondrial DNA

759
00:32:13,540 --> 00:32:11,750
the 16 and a half thousand that we

760
00:32:16,030 --> 00:32:13,550
already have nine and a half percent of

761
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:16,040
that had the 93 differences in it

762
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:19,610
already that doesn't have great swaths

763
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:22,250
that we don't understand that is some of

764
00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:24,050
the most highly conserved genetic

765
00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:27,740
material that exists within the human

766
00:32:32,740 --> 00:32:30,440
body if very much goes wrong with and

767
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:32,750
that part of your DNA you just can't

768
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:36,850
survive it is so crucial and now we have

769
00:32:42,930 --> 00:32:39,650
very solid evidence that within that

770
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:42,940
crucial can't be changed part of the DNA

771
00:32:49,510 --> 00:32:47,120
we have changes that no one has ever

772
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:49,520
seen before we've really finally got the

773
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:51,980
kind of evidence that we need to be able

774
00:32:58,299 --> 00:32:53,929
to put down the naysayers once and for

775
00:33:02,020 --> 00:32:58,309
all what is the Starchild skull up for

776
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:02,030
display anywhere no one unfortunately

777
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:04,910
it's not we have replicas that we take

778
00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:06,620
with us to conferences and events like

779
00:33:14,380 --> 00:33:11,630
that but the real skull has a number of

780
00:33:15,850 --> 00:33:14,390
large sections cut out of it for

781
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:15,860
different testing that has been done

782
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:19,010
over the course of the last 12 years and

783
00:33:26,110 --> 00:33:23,090
so we intend once all is said and done

784
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:26,120
to get those large missing sections

785
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:28,970
repaired and then hope to display it at

786
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:31,010
a museum so I'm where but for the moment

787
00:33:35,020 --> 00:33:33,290
it's it's in such bad shape and we're

788
00:33:37,510 --> 00:33:35,030
returning to it so often to get new

789
00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:37,520
samples that there's no way to really

790
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:40,820
display it effectively right because I

791
00:33:45,370 --> 00:33:42,559
would I would love to see I'm sure a lot

792
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:45,380
of people would well Manette the next

793
00:33:52,450 --> 00:33:46,610
best thing is the Starchild project

794
00:33:54,010 --> 00:33:52,460
website wwlp.com there is a ton of free

795
00:33:56,350 --> 00:33:54,020
information there for anyone that's

796
00:33:57,730 --> 00:33:56,360
interested you'll find most of your

797
00:33:58,990 --> 00:33:57,740
questions are answered but if they're

798
00:34:01,630 --> 00:33:59,000
not we always love to hear from people

799
00:34:02,770 --> 00:34:01,640
yeah it's it's a great website I love

800
00:34:04,780 --> 00:34:02,780
the video that's right up in the front

801
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:04,790
it outlines a lot of the differences

802
00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:05,950
between the skull

803
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,250
normal human skulls I think it's awesome

804
00:34:14,669 --> 00:34:11,200
to hear that you know you guys are on

805
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,679
your way to mapping some type of genome

806
00:34:18,659 --> 00:34:16,720
from this I'm sure obviously is going to

807
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:18,669
take a long time how did you originally

808
00:34:25,069 --> 00:34:22,500
get involved with the project yourself

809
00:34:28,349 --> 00:34:25,079
well I've been with the project since

810
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:28,359
2004 and I actually came on initially as

811
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:31,690
the webmaster and have just stuck with

812
00:34:36,450 --> 00:34:33,730
that ever since doing whatever needed to

813
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:36,460
be done and now I'm their chief of

814
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:38,770
operation still pretty much just doing

815
00:34:47,369 --> 00:34:43,359
whatever needs to be done are you guys

816
00:34:48,569 --> 00:34:47,379
finding with the reluctance from the

817
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:48,579
scientific community are you having a

818
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,369
hard time getting the proper funding it

819
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:53,919
is difficult yes part of the problem is

820
00:34:58,380 --> 00:34:56,800
that we aren't yet to the point of

821
00:35:01,650 --> 00:34:58,390
publishing anything in a peer-reviewed

822
00:35:04,290 --> 00:35:01,660
journal we've had a number of informal

823
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:04,300
reports done but the process of going

824
00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:06,490
through and getting it published in one

825
00:35:13,410 --> 00:35:10,180
of those papers can literally take years

826
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:13,420
it's very arduous you need to have

827
00:35:19,290 --> 00:35:15,849
things proven to a level of certainty

828
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,300
that we will absolutely have once we

829
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:21,760
complete the genome testing but at this

830
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:24,190
point our findings are preliminary so

831
00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:29,290
it's difficult to publish a findings

832
00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:32,230
report when you don't have your

833
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,180
completed findings that does make things

834
00:35:38,819 --> 00:35:36,640
difficult for us but what we've found

835
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:38,829
under the reason we have that policy of

836
00:35:43,319 --> 00:35:40,569
disclosing information as soon as it's

837
00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:43,329
available to us is that most people out

838
00:35:48,839 --> 00:35:45,700
there really don't care about whether

839
00:35:50,910 --> 00:35:48,849
you've used enough big words or how many

840
00:35:52,829 --> 00:35:50,920
different phd's have looked at it

841
00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:52,839
they're they're perfectly happy with one

842
00:35:58,140 --> 00:35:55,960
PhD and just the fact just the

843
00:36:00,030 --> 00:35:58,150
information and so that's what we're

844
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:00,040
doing right now we're just focusing on

845
00:36:06,329 --> 00:36:02,710
getting those facts out to people as

846
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:06,339
easily and as quickly as we can that's

847
00:36:11,069 --> 00:36:09,010
fair and I hope that this interview

848
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:11,079
helps that process along in its own

849
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:14,079
little way and Amy before I let you go

850
00:36:17,170 --> 00:36:15,609
I've kind of got to challenge you a

851
00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:17,180
little bit because where I am

852
00:36:21,569 --> 00:36:19,460
pretty much accepting of anything that

853
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:21,579
makes life a little more interesting

854
00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:24,050
friend of mine her mo and frequent

855
00:36:27,460 --> 00:36:25,550
guests the show takes a little more

856
00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:27,470
skeptical approach to these types of

857
00:36:32,770 --> 00:36:29,990
situations when I told him I was going

858
00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:32,780
to be having you on he researched the

859
00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:37,550
website and sent me his opinion on the

860
00:36:40,839 --> 00:36:39,260
situation which I'd like to read for you

861
00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:40,849
and give you a chance to respond if you

862
00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:43,630
don't object please save me some answers

863
00:36:47,740 --> 00:36:46,280
okay well great while he does admit the

864
00:36:50,410 --> 00:36:47,750
skull is strange and pretty

865
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:50,420
unexplainable he adds this the main

866
00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:52,010
thing that I find really strange about

867
00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:53,960
the situation is that mr. Pye talks

868
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:55,849
consistently about how the skull and the

869
00:36:59,140 --> 00:36:57,290
research surrounding it is being

870
00:37:01,569 --> 00:36:59,150
completely shunned by the academic

871
00:37:02,799 --> 00:37:01,579
science elite he chalks his ideas up is

872
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:02,809
another one of those compelling

873
00:37:06,819 --> 00:37:04,730
paranormal finds that science ignores

874
00:37:09,250 --> 00:37:06,829
and that suggestion sounds absolutely

875
00:37:11,170 --> 00:37:09,260
preposterous to me there's a whole lot

876
00:37:12,910 --> 00:37:11,180
of scientists in this world who spend

877
00:37:14,170 --> 00:37:12,920
their entire adult lives digging in the

878
00:37:16,839 --> 00:37:14,180
ground hoping to find something

879
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:16,849
interesting if this find is genuine it

880
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,890
doesn't make any sense that scientists

881
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:20,720
wouldn't be jumping over one another to

882
00:37:24,609 --> 00:37:22,609
study it for themselves if you had a

883
00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:24,619
strange really old-looking skull I

884
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:26,420
guarantee you would walk into any

885
00:37:30,819 --> 00:37:28,790
properly outfitted University biology

886
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:30,829
department in the country and say I want

887
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:32,690
to know if this is human and you'd find

888
00:37:38,859 --> 00:37:34,970
an eager person who will run the PCR on

889
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,869
the DNA for free yet mr. PI X like

890
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:40,400
everyone is avoiding this skull because

891
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:42,650
of some ingrained scientific bias and

892
00:37:47,410 --> 00:37:44,780
that he has to jump through hoops to get

893
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,420
anyone to look at it and of course he

894
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:49,280
needs people to donate to his site so we

895
00:37:53,530 --> 00:37:51,290
can pay to have the test run and that's

896
00:37:56,410 --> 00:37:53,540
why I don't like it that's obviously a

897
00:37:58,599 --> 00:37:56,420
very skeptical view but that was the

898
00:38:01,240 --> 00:37:58,609
most damning of what he had to say he

899
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,250
did admit it is very odd and there is no

900
00:38:04,510 --> 00:38:02,960
answer and there you know with testing

901
00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:04,520
if it was human there should be an

902
00:38:11,049 --> 00:38:08,990
answer well no absolutely and I I fully

903
00:38:14,349 --> 00:38:11,059
respect everyone's right to their

904
00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:14,359
opinion and that's what I thought to my

905
00:38:19,210 --> 00:38:16,430
first contact with the project was

906
00:38:21,220 --> 00:38:19,220
writing mr. PI an email saying you've

907
00:38:23,710 --> 00:38:21,230
got to be joking if this was a real

908
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:23,720
thing then I work in an archaeology

909
00:38:27,789 --> 00:38:26,089
department I'm sure that they would love

910
00:38:29,650 --> 00:38:27,799
to do this testing for you but this is

911
00:38:30,450 --> 00:38:29,660
obviously a hoax because you're asking

912
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:30,460
for donations

913
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:36,250
to maintain the site if anyone would

914
00:38:39,089 --> 00:38:37,450
like to donate a couple of million

915
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:39,099
dollars will be more than happy to do

916
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:42,490
the DNA testing but it's it's certainly

917
00:38:47,820 --> 00:38:46,330
not a a lap of luxury kind of thinking

918
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:47,830
it would be a lot nicer for me if it was

919
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:51,280
but we really do use the donations for

920
00:38:56,820 --> 00:38:53,650
testing for maintenance of the website

921
00:39:01,740 --> 00:38:56,830
for very legitimate things to do with

922
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:01,750
the testing process I can understand the

923
00:39:06,839 --> 00:39:03,849
concerns but anyone who's ever actually

924
00:39:10,410 --> 00:39:06,849
tried to do this can tell you that's not

925
00:39:13,290 --> 00:39:10,420
how it works at all it is a very

926
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,300
competitive environment there is only a

927
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:15,040
certain amount of funding available for

928
00:39:19,050 --> 00:39:16,990
a certain amount of things and if you

929
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:19,060
don't fit into whatever the flavor of

930
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:21,010
the month happens to be you're going to

931
00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:23,170
have a really hard time getting that

932
00:39:28,740 --> 00:39:25,990
funding we have tried taking this in

933
00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:28,750
fact if for came on board with it mr.

934
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:31,630
pie extensively tried to take this to

935
00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:34,270
various universities and other places to

936
00:39:38,099 --> 00:39:36,460
have it tested to have the work done we

937
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:38,109
just so completely idiotic that there's

938
00:39:42,540 --> 00:39:40,690
an easy solution and we're just

939
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:42,550
stumbling around for 12 years without

940
00:39:50,010 --> 00:39:46,150
trying it again I respect his right to

941
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:50,020
his opinion but this is this is one of

942
00:39:55,740 --> 00:39:52,030
those things where it should be that

943
00:39:58,109 --> 00:39:55,750
easy science should be willing to tackle

944
00:40:01,530 --> 00:39:58,119
anything that it comes across and i'm

945
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,540
not talking about individual people I'm

946
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:04,240
talking about the establishment of

947
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,290
mainstream science as almost a religion

948
00:40:14,010 --> 00:40:10,480
where certain things have to be adhered

949
00:40:16,530 --> 00:40:14,020
to certain steps have to be followed if

950
00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:16,540
you aren't willing to follow every one

951
00:40:21,870 --> 00:40:18,700
of those steps precisely because this

952
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:21,880
was found by a tourist instead of being

953
00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:25,330
part of an archaeological dig because

954
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,750
mr. Pye is indeed quite as token about

955
00:40:34,290 --> 00:40:30,160
this that there is a host of reasons

956
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:34,300
that make it more attractive for people

957
00:40:40,770 --> 00:40:37,330
to shun it than to actually do any

958
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:40,780
investigation into it and I I would love

959
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:43,930
if if you're

960
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:46,730
I'm sorry was it your friend there that

961
00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:51,230
rose in if they're able to show well sir

962
00:40:57,309 --> 00:40:53,809
I'm so glad that you do listen in and

963
00:41:00,519 --> 00:40:57,319
that you are listening in today but if

964
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:00,529
you are able to find a university that

965
00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:04,010
is willing to do this is ancient DNA

966
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:06,680
testing it's fairly complicated it's

967
00:41:12,029 --> 00:41:09,230
fairly expensive if you find us a lab

968
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:12,039
willing to do it that would be fantastic

969
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:14,510
please get in touch with us the contact

970
00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:16,609
information is on the website we would

971
00:41:22,809 --> 00:41:19,190
absolutely love to hear from you or any

972
00:41:24,970 --> 00:41:22,819
reputable institution that you have that

973
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:24,980
is willing to undertake this testing

974
00:41:31,390 --> 00:41:28,160
well there you go her mo you know the

975
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:31,400
challenge has been set it's not an

976
00:41:35,470 --> 00:41:32,930
opinion I agree with what I felt like if

977
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,480
I didn't at least include it I would be

978
00:41:39,339 --> 00:41:37,520
doing them a disservice and I'm sure

979
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:39,349
there are plenty of people thinking the

980
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:40,970
same thing because I certainly did I

981
00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:43,910
couldn't believe that everyone wouldn't

982
00:41:48,460 --> 00:41:46,190
be jumping all over it and it's it's

983
00:41:51,789 --> 00:41:48,470
because in a lot of ways we went through

984
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,799
the wrong channels to begin with and if

985
00:41:55,089 --> 00:41:53,359
it was easy to go through the right

986
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:55,099
channels I'm sure that that's what they

987
00:42:00,789 --> 00:41:58,880
would have done but we have tried over

988
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:00,799
more than a decade now just about

989
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:03,680
everything you can think of and all I

990
00:42:07,390 --> 00:42:05,930
can say is if there's a way to get it

991
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:07,400
done let us know we'll be more than

992
00:42:12,190 --> 00:42:10,609
happy to take on the suggestion well Amy

993
00:42:14,769 --> 00:42:12,200
I really appreciate you coming on the

994
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:14,779
show I advise everyone to take a look at

995
00:42:18,970 --> 00:42:16,130
the skull I'm obviously going to have to

996
00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:18,980
include some pictures with it it is a

997
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:21,470
really interesting fine and so far

998
00:42:27,130 --> 00:42:24,470
unexplainable and I wish you guys the

999
00:42:30,099 --> 00:42:27,140
best on your quest to blow this thing up

1000
00:42:31,870 --> 00:42:30,109
and get people talking about it back

1001
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:31,880
thank you very much thanks for having me

1002
00:42:37,269 --> 00:42:35,119
on thanks for listening people check out

1003
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1010
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1011
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1013
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1014
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they truly exist

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